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September 17, 2014

Campbell's *Herald Archetype,* as Explained by Christopher Vogler


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Readers' Comments:

Rebeccah Braun
Dr. B. Lee Hobbs
ENG 220CL Journeys in Narrative CA02
15 September 2014

Question #41: Explain in your own words the seeming contradiction in Buddha’s doctrine of causality as described by Siddhartha. If all event, including mental events are caused, how can any action be considered right or wrong?
Answer
Siddhartha expresses that although Buddha’s doctrine of causality “has been presented so irrefutably; truly…” he argues that there is a small gap that leads to contradiction within the doctrine. Siddhartha says that this unity and necessary is broken in a single place and this gap causes the entire uniform law of the world to break apart becoming void. An action can be considered right or wrong, even though it is said to because, because of the effects the action has in whole. Even when it was said, the person would eventually do a certain deed with consequences this cause is considered right or wrong based on the effects the cause produces.

Posted by: Rebeccah Braun at September 17, 2014 11:55 PM

Kyle VanBuren and Erin Gaylord
Dr. Burgsbee Lee Hobbs
ENG 220CL
18 September 2014

Question #4
Explain Vogler’s discussion of the “psychological function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol.

Text Source: “The Writers Journey,” By Christopher Vogler and “A Christmas Carol,” By Charles Dickens
The Herald is the person who comes to show the hero that they have to make a change in their life. Vogler explains, “Heralds the have important psychological function of announcing the need for change” (Vogler 56). In “A Christmas Carol,” the Herald is precisely the ghost of Jacob Marley. Marley shows up in Scrooge’s house and tells him that Scrooge must change or he will be bound in chains. Dickens writes, “Without their visits”, said the Ghost, “you cannot hope to shun the path I tread” (Dickens 15). In Siddhartha, the Herald can be Siddhartha himself. Siddhartha is the one who wants to change and join the Samanas. Hesse writes, “Well, Govinda, are we on the right road? Are we gaining knowledge? Are we approaching salvation? Or are we perhaps going in circles- we who thought to escape from the cycle” (Hesse 17 & 18)?

Posted by: Kyle VanBuren and Erin Gaylord at September 18, 2014 08:00 AM

Maria Aguilera and Britney Polycarpe
Dr. B. Lee Hobbs
ENG 220CL-CA02

QUESTION #4:
(a.)Identify accurately the HERALD in Siddhartha. (a.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “psychological function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Hesse’s Siddhartha.

ANSWER:
The Herald in Siddhartha is Siddhartha himself because he is always seeking change. He wanted to challenge himself on knowing everything and gaining knowledge on everything he could because that was his mission. Vogler’s discussion of the “psychological function” of the Herald archetype explains that the Herald is always announcing a need for change and he is always someone that helps the main character in his mission on accomplishing his goal. This plays out in Hesse’s Siddhartha because Siddhartha left his family seeking knowledge of oneself.

Posted by: Maria Aguilera at September 20, 2014 03:17 PM

Claudia Pierre, Jazlynn Rosario
Dr. B. Lee Hobbs
ENG 220CL On The Proverbial Road: Journeys of Transformation in Narrative CA02
21 September 2014

QUESTION #5:
(a.)Identify accurately the HERALD in Dickens ‘The Christmas Carol. (a.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “dramatic function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol.

ANSWER:
The dramatic function of a Herald explains that they provide the motivation, offer a challenge to the hero, and the Herald usually gets the story rolling. “They alert the hero (and the audience) that change and adventure die coming”. (Vogler pg.56) “The Herald archetype may come into play at almost any point in a story, but is most frequently employed in Act One to help bring the hero into the adventure. Whether it is an inner call, an external development or a character bringing news of change, the energy of the Herald is needed in almost every story”. (Vogler pg. 57) In the Christmas Carol, Jacob Marley was known as the Herald throughout the story.

Posted by: Claudia Pierre at September 21, 2014 04:41 PM

James Sierra, Doug Ross
Dr. B. Lee Hobbs
ENG 220CL - ON THE PROVERBIAL ROAD: JOURNEYS OF TRANSFORMATION IN NARRATIVE CA02
17 September 2014

Question 1:
(a.) According to Christopher Vogler, in his chapter on the Herald archetype, what is the “energy” of the Herald and
Answer:
The “energy” for the Herald according to Vogler is the atmosphere of change he seeks to invoke.

(b.) What, exactly, is his or her job?
Answer:
The purpose of the Herald is to issue challenges, or to announce big changes coming to the “Hero’s” life


(c.) Who, or what, best fits this archetype in Charles Dickens’ A
Christmas Carol?
Answer:
Jacob Marley we feel would best fit the Herald archetype in A Christmas Story. He delivers the message to Scrooge about the coming of the three spirits. Marley also shows Scrooge his fate if he does not change his ways.

Posted by: James Sierra at September 21, 2014 05:25 PM

Leroy Pianka
Jonah Robertson
Dr. B. Lee Hobbs
Eng220CL Journeys in Narrative CA02
17 September 2014

QUESTION 3:
(a.) Identify accurately the HERALD in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. (a.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “psychological function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol.

Answer:
In Dicken’s “A Christmas Carol” Marley would be the Herald. This is because he comes to Scrooge after his death and explains to him the repercussions of his actions. The psychological function of the herald in Christmas Carol is to help Scrooge change his stingy ways before he is inevitably bound for eternal misery. The way this plays out is by visits from three spirits that show him how he changed from good to bad and what he needs to do to go back to being good.

Works Cited
Dickens. A Christmas Carol. Chapman and Hall, 1843. public domain online version. 30 August 2014. .

Posted by: Leroy Pianka at September 23, 2014 09:36 AM

Gabriela Caminero
Ashley Gross
Aaron Virelli
Dr. B. Lee Hobbs
ENG-220CL Journeys in a Narrative CA01
23 September 2014

Question #5
(a.) Identify accurately the HERALD in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. (a.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “dramatic function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol.

Answer:
The Herald in Dickens A Christmas Carol would be Jacob Marley. Jacob Marley was the one that told Scrooge that he had to go on this journey or he would be destined to the same fate as him. This is shown in the following quote, “Without their visits, you cannot hope to shun the past I tread. Expect the first to-morrow when the bell turns one” (Dickens 45).

Posted by: Gabriela Caminero at September 24, 2014 08:25 AM

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Maggie Izquierdo and Matt Lemonis and Duane Daye
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 220CL Journeys in Narrative CA02
6 February 2015

Question: (a.) According to Christopher Vogler, in his chapter on the Herald archetype, what is the “energy” of the Herald and (b.) what, exactly, is his or her job? (c.) Who, or what, best fits this archetype in Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol?

Answer: Vogler says that the energy of a Herald archetype is a new force that will appear in the beginning of the story to bring a new challenge to the hero. They issue challenges announce that a big change is coming (Vogler 55).
In A Christmas Carol, Jacob Marley would be the Herald archetype to the Scrooge, the hero archetype. He poses a new challenge to Scrooge in sending the Three Spirits to him. Marley tells Scrooge, “I am here to-night to warn you, that you have yet a chance and hope of escaping my fate. A chance of hope of my procuring, Ebenezer.” Here Marley warns Scrooge of then big change and challenge ahead of him (Dickens 15).

Posted by: Maggie Izquierdo at February 4, 2015 02:38 PM

Jeffrey Wingfield and Cody Jean-Baptiste
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 220CL On the Proverbial Road: Journeys of Transformation in Narrative CA01
4 February 2015

(a.) Identify accurately the HERALD in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. (a.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “psychological function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. 


In the Christmas Carol, Marley functions as the herald. He announces Scrooges need for change and warns him about events to come. Dickens writes, " “You will be haunted,” resumed the Ghost, “by Three Spirits.” " (Dickens 24). Marley fulfills the psychological function by announcing change to come. He is almost like a messenger for the three spirits.

Posted by: Jeffrey Wingfield and Cody Jean-Baptiste at February 4, 2015 03:18 PM

Kelsey Williams & Jasmine Weaver
Dr Hobbs
ENG 220CL Journeys of Transformation in Narratives CA01
4 February 2015

Question 2. According to Christopher Vogler, in his chapter on the Herald archetype, (a.) what is the “energy” of the Herald and (b.) what, exactly, is his or her job? (c.) Who, or what, bests fits this archetype in Hermann Hesse’s Siddhartha?


Answer. The herald’s energy changes. It can be forceful because most characters don’t want to leave the Ordinary World. For this reason, with a commanding Herald, the hero is swept into the Special World more suddenly. The Herald’s job is to bring the challenge and present the opportunity for change. They are the messengers, typically within the first act of the narrative to begin the story (Volger 55). In Siddhartha, the Herald function is embodied in Siddhartha’s decision and later frustration with the Samana’s lifestyle. Change in Siddhartha’s actions comes about when Govinda and Siddhartha listen to the teachings of the Buddha (Hesse 24).

Posted by: Kelsey Williams & Jasmine Weaver at February 4, 2015 03:19 PM

Wyatt Burttschell, T.J Pagilaro
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 220CL Journeys in Narrative CA02
5 February 2015

Question: Identify accurately the HERALD in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. (a.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “dramatic function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol.

Answer: The herald archetype can be a positive, negative or neutral figure. The herald plays an important dramatic function by offering the hero motivation and opportunity. Vogler describes the herald as an energy that changes the balance. In A Christmas Carol there are many forces that approach Scrooge. The main herald in the story would be Jacob Marely. It was Marley who delivers Scrooge his journey and opportunity for redemption. Marley acts as a herald when he explains to Scrooge “You will be haunted by three spirits.” (Dickens, 63) After being confronted by Marley Scrooge begins his journey in which he changes his attitude.

Posted by: Wyatt, TJ at February 5, 2015 01:25 PM

Hanna Kataria, Joe Marrah
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 220CL Journeys in Narrative CA02
5 February 2015

Siddhartha

Question #4: (a.) Identify accurately the HERALD in Hesse’s Siddhartha. (b.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “psychological function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Hesse’s Siddhartha.

Answer: Vogler describes the psychological function of the Herald as the character, object or idea that helps show the Hero that there needs to be a change. This is like a messenger for the to know that things will change. In Hesse’s Siddhartha, the hero is Siddhartha, and the Herald that sparks a new challenge that Siddhartha desires is the Samanas. Siddhartha was unable to learn anymore from his father because his father was “a learned man” so he did not learn much more from his father (Hesse 4). The Samanas had put so much desire into Siddhartha as they walked their starving bodies through his town. Siddhartha saw them having such an intense passion that caused inspiration and desire within himself to become one of them Siddhartha.

Posted by: Hanna Kataria; Joe Marrah at February 5, 2015 05:09 PM

Bryan Hess, Nicholas Gaydos, and Rich Bennet
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 220CL Journeys In Narrative CA02
6 February 2015

Question: (#2) According to Christopher Vogler, in his chapter on the Herald archetype, what is the “energy” of the Herald and (b.) what, exactly, is his or her job? (c.) Who, or what, best fits this archetype in Hermann Hesse’s Siddhartha?
Answer: According to Christopher Vogler, the “energy” of the herald is a challenge that is presented to the hero. The herald’s job is essentially to present the hero with the challenge or to announce a coming change that the character will have to overcome. The Samanas fit this archetype in Hermann Hesse’s Siddhartha because they inspire Siddhartha to seek out alternative means to reaching enlightenment. Before he was used to just learning under the Brahmins; however, when he sees the Samanas he comes to a realization that there must be other ways of reaching enlightenment.

Posted by: Bryan Hess at February 6, 2015 02:39 AM

Tyler Sedam, Celina Tahsini, William Pereira
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 220CL - Journeys of Transformation in Narrative CA02
4 February 2015

Question: 3. (a.) Identify accurately the HERALD in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. (a.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “psychological function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol.

Answer: The Herald in Dicken's Christmas Carol is Jacob Marley's Ghost. Voglers definition of the herald is to elicit change within the character. Vogler says "Heralds have the important psychological function of announcing the need for change" (Vogler 56) In The Christmas Carol Marley elicits this change to Scrooge. When Marley appears to Scrooge he says " I am here tonight to warn you, that you have a chance of escaping my fate. A chance and hope of my procuring, Ebenezer." "You were always a good friend to me," said Scrooge. "Thank'eel!" "You will be haunted," resumed the Ghost, "by Three Spirits." " (Dickens 15)

Posted by: William Pereira at February 6, 2015 10:01 AM

Hatim Shami and Marie Destin
Professor Hobbs
ENG220 Journeys of Transformation in Narrative CA01
6 February 2015

Question #4: (a.) Identify accurately the HERALD in Hesse’s Siddhartha. (a.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “psychological function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Hesse’s Siddhartha.

Answer: Vogler’s explanation of the psychological function was by saying that it is the need of change. The Herald usually communicates and delivers an adventure that often ends up with a positive impact. They usually provide motivation and encouragement. In Hesse’s Siddhartha, it is difficult to identify the Herald. It can be the old Samana because he told everyone what action to do. His dad who was friendly with him because he agreed on everything Siddhartha wanted to do can also be a herald, in this case. Another herald in Hesse’s Siddhartha is Siddhartha himself who traveled to find his path and faced all the pain and suffering.

Posted by: Hatim Shami at February 6, 2015 01:38 PM

Rachel Andrews & Chrissy Castro & Bobby Ausmus

Dr. Hobbs

ENG 220CL On The Proverbial Road: Journeys of Narrative CA02

4 February 2015

Question: (a.) According to Christopher Vogler, in his chapter on the Herald archetype, what is the “energy” of the Herald and (b.) what, exactly, is his or her job? (c.) Who, or what, best fits this archetype in Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol?

Answer: In Dicken’s “ A Christmas Carol”, the hero ,Scrooge, is visited by a Herald who "[appears] in Act One who brings a challenge to the Hero” (Vogler 55) . A Herald is a character who issues challenges and announces the coming of new changes. In “A Christmas Carol”, there could be two possible Heralds, Scrooge's nephew Fred, or Marley’s Ghosts. Marley could be the herald because he comes and tells Scrooge he will be visited by the spirits. He introduces the challenge to Scrooge, to overcome himself and change his way of life. Uses himself as an example of what will happen if he fails the challenge. Fred could also be the herald because he challenges Scrooge to come to christmas party, ask him to be cheerful for just one night.

Posted by: Rachel Andrews & Chrissy Castro & Bobby Aumsus at February 6, 2015 02:34 PM

Burke Tomaselli & Jessica Mckinney
Journey through the narrative.

1) According to vogler, in his chapter on the herald, what is the energy of the herald? And what exactly is his or her job? Who or what best fits this role in a Christmas carol?

- According to Vogler…
A) The energy of the herald is to bring a new force or new challenge to the hero. “Often a new force will appear in Act One to bring a challenge to the hero.” (p55)
B) It is meant to introduce the hero to the next stage of growth in his or her story. “Their job is to issue challenges and announce the coming of significant change.” (p55)
C) In A Christmas Carol, it is the Ghost of Christmas yet to come, or Marley. It symbolizes that unless Scrooge takes the next step necessary in his journey, he will meet the same fate.

Posted by: Burke & Jessica at February 1, 2016 11:11 AM

Emily Buckley & Charis Lavoie
Dr. B Lee Hobbs
ENG 220CL Journeys in Narrative CA01
1 February 2016

Question 2: According to Christopher Vogler, in his chapter on the Herald archetype, what is the “energy” of the Herald and (b.) what, exactly, is his or her job? (c.) Who, or what, best fits this archetype in Hermann Hesse’s Siddhartha?

Answer: According to Vogler, the herald appears in the “first act to bring a challenge to the hero…Herald characters issue challenges and announce the coming of significant change.” (Vogler 55) Vogler continues to explain the history of heralds, how they announced conflict and is “the spark that sets off a war.” (Vogler 55) The herald’s basic job is to announce the challenge. The Samanas would be the heralds in the story of Siddhartha, because they gave him the idea of setting off on his journey.

Posted by: Emily Buckley and Charis Lavoie at February 1, 2016 11:20 AM

Brianna Van Tuyl, and Jonathan
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 220 CL journeys into

Question4: identify accurately the Herald in Hesse’s Siddhartha. (A) In your own words, explain Vogler’s the psychological function of the herald archetype, and ow this plays out in Hesse’s Siddhartha.
‘Answer: The Herald in the story of Siddhartha would be the Samana’s. They are considered to be the archetype of this story because initially they are the ones that introduce him to what he later would set out to do. They also make him realize that what he once knew wasn’t all true, and after he finds this he tries to find out the truth.

Posted by: Brianna Van Tuyl at February 1, 2016 11:21 AM

Andre and Thomas
Dr. Hobbs
ENG220CL Journeys in the Narrative CA01
1 February 2016

Question: (a.) Identify accurately the HERALD in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. (a.) In your own words, explain Vogler’s discussion of the “psychological function” of the Herald archetype, and how this plays out in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol.

Answer: Voguer explains that the psychological function as an announcement for change. Ironically, Volger mentions that it could be, “a dream figure, a real person, or a new idea we encounter” (Vogler 56). In Dickens A Christmas Carol, Marley’s ghost visits Scrooge and turns to Scrooge and says, “You will be haunted, by Three Spirits” (Dickens 15). Marley announces that Scrooge would not have a chance to change his future if he does not have the visits by the Three Spirits.

Posted by: Andre and Thomas at February 3, 2016 12:52 AM

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