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October 08, 2012

"Seeing" Hemingway's _Old Man_

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Hemingway, Ernest. The Old Man and the Sea. 1952. American. Novel.

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Posted by lhobbs at October 8, 2012 07:11 AM

Readers' Comments:

Madison Grabow
ENG 311 Survey of Major 20th Century Writers
29 October 2012

Group V: Day Five
Member 2

What is Manolin determined to do now?

Answer: After Santiago returns back to his bed, Manolin takes good care of him so that he can rest and prepare to fish again. Manolin wants to fish with Santiago for now on, but Santiago says he contains no luck. Manolin replies “the hell with luck” “I’ll bring the luck with me” (Hemingway 48). Manolin continues on with telling Santiago "we will fish together now for I still have much to learn” (Hemingway 48). Manolin is determined to fish with Santiago.


Posted by: madison grabow at October 29, 2012 03:11 PM

Leah Hollingsworth
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 311 CA05 Survey of Major Twentieth Century Writers
29 October 2012

Question: Who met him in the morning? What did he do when he saw the old man?

Answer: The boy met the old man in the morning and he started to cry. “He was asleep when the boy looked in the door in the morning. …The boy saw that the old man was breathing and then he saw the old man’s hands and he started to cry. He went out very quietly to go to bring some coffee and all the way down the road he was crying” (Hemmingway 46).

Posted by: Leah Hollingsworth at October 29, 2012 03:15 PM

Shyenne Price
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 311 CA05 Survey of Major Twentieth Century Writers
October 29, 2012

Quotation: “Who did Santiago wish was with him?”

Answers: Santiago wished that the boy were with him on the boat. “I wish the boy was here.” he said aloud.

Taken from Hemingway novel PDF version pg. 18

Posted by: Shyenne Price at October 29, 2012 03:15 PM

Wollinsky Mendez
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 311 CA05 Survey of Major Twentieth Century Writers
October 29, 2012

Question: Group V Member 3
What role do the sharks play in the novel? Are they Santiago's sole antagonists?

Answer: The sharks play an important role because they challenge Santiago's spirit. They break his relationship with the sea. They break his dream. After fighting for so long, Santiago finally reached his dream of his big catch and then the sharks just destroyed it no matter how hard he tried to beat away they different sharks. The sharks are not his sole antagonist. He is also his own antagonist because when he fights the fish, he doubts himself towards the end. He doesn't want to give up on his dream and he made himself go on until he won his fight.

Posted by: Wollinsky Mendez at October 29, 2012 03:17 PM

Timothy Delay
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 311 CA05 Survey of Major Twentieth Century Writers
10, October 30, 2012
Question: Group IV: Day Four-Group Member #3: What did Santiago kill the fish with? What time was it?

Answers: Santiago kills the fish with his harpoon. After hoping to tire out the fish but letting it use all it energy by trying to swim out. Santiago knows that the fish is leading him farther out to sea, so he concludes that he must kill the fish in order to save his life. Santiago then harpoon the fish “The old man dropped the line and put his foot on it and lifted the harpoon as high as he could and drove it down with all his strength, and more strength he had just summoned, into the fish’s side just behind the great chest fin that rose high in the air to the altitude of the man’s chest” (pg 35). In this process of killing the fish Santiago lose his harpoon and later on cannot fight off the sharks. This all take place around noon.

Posted by: Timothy Delay at October 30, 2012 01:18 PM

Sarah Winans
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 311 Survey of Major Twentieth Century Writers
30 October 2012

Question: What woke him up?

Answer: The fish line woke up the old man, it was tied to him and cut him up as soon as the line was pulled. "He woke with the jerk of his right fist coming up against his face and the line burning
out through his right hand. He had no feeling of his left hand but he braked all he could
with his right and the line rushed out" (page 30 paragraph 11).

Posted by: Sarah Winans at October 30, 2012 11:47 PM

Jason Anderson
ENG311 CA05
The Old Man and the Sea

When the man-of-war bird dove into the sea,what happened?

Answer: The bird is diving after a flying fish which is also being chased by dolphins. Santiago says that the bird has no chance because the dolphins are faster. In some ways this foreshadows his own experience with the marlin. He is the bird and stands no chance against the sharks because they are faster.(p.34, Simon and Schuster Books version)

Posted by: Jason Anderson at October 31, 2012 10:06 AM

Summer Taylor
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 311
31 October 2012

Question: Group 2 Day 2

1) How did Santiago and Manolin meet in the morning? What did they eat for breakfast?

2) Did Santiago realize that he was going "far out"?

3) Did Santiago speak of the sea as feminine or masculine?


1)Santiago woke up Manolin in his house in the morning to meet him. "He took hold of one foot gently and held it until the boy woke and turned and looked at him. The old man nodded and the boy took his trousers from the chair by the bed and, sitting on the bed, pulled them on" (Hemingway 8). Also, both the boy and Santiago drank only coffee for breakfast. "The old man drank his coffee slowly. It was all he would have all day and he knew that he should take it" (Hemingway 9).

2) Santiago realized that he was going too far out. "Then he looked behind him and saw that no land was visible" (Hemingway 16).

3) Santiago spoke of the sea as if she was a woman. "But the old man always thought of her as
feminine and as something that gave or withheld great favours, and if she did wild or wicked things it was because she could not help them. The moon affects her as it does a woman, he thought" (Hemingway 10).

Posted by: Summer Taylor at October 31, 2012 11:59 AM


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Posted by: Dr. Hobbs at November 6, 2012 08:06 PM

De'Nisha Butler
Dr. Hobbs
English 311 CAo5
December 4th, 2012

Group III: Day Three
Group Member #2

Question I: What added drag to the line, and pleased Santiago?

Answer: The marlin

Question II: What did Santiago eat for breakfast?

Answer: Tuna he caught the day before

Question: Santiago considered the fish his?

Answer: Brother

Posted by: De'Nisha Butler at December 4, 2012 09:18 PM

Leah Hollingsworth
Dr. Hobbs
ENG 311 Survey of Major Twentieth Century Writers CA05
4 December 2012
Dream Catching: An Analysis of Gatsby and the Old Man
The ability to set and achieve goals is invaluable. It can mean the difference between realizing dreams and being sorely disappointed. It is important to set goals that are achievable, have a specific outcome, measurable results, and a deadline. However, there is more to goal achievement than simply setting a goal. Essentially, goals ought to be based on strong personal values, must involve a particular result, and should be pursued with pre-determined steps. If goals are approached in this manner, success is much more likely. This can be demonstrated by analyzing The Great Gatsby, a novel by F. Scott Fitzgerald, and The Old Man and the Sea, another novel, by Ernest Hemmingway. By comparing and contrasting Gatsby in The Great Gatsby and the old man in The Old Man and the Sea, it is clear that having strong values, setting goals that are well-defined, and approaching them with set steps is necessary for goal achievement.
Strong personal values provide the foundation for any goal. Gatsby and the old man are similar in that they have the values needed to achieve their goals. For example, both men are determined. The old man used to fish with his friend, the boy. Addressing the boy, the old man says, “‘…I know many tricks and I have resolution” (Hemmingway 8). The old man is determined to catch a fish. Gatsby is just as determined to rise in society. Gatsby’s father says, ‘[he] always had some resolves like this or something. Do you notice what he’s got about improving his mind? … He told me I et like a hog once and I beat him for it’” (Fitzgerald 185). Gatsby is resolute to improve himself socially and intellectually in order to be a part of high society. Values like determination help the two men effectively pursue their goals. The old man in Hemmingway’s novel also has principles that positively inform his goal setting. Faith is one principle that allows the old man to set goals. The boy talks to him one evening about their shared faith (Hemmingway 2). Faith is what allows the old man to set lofty goals of a constructive nature. Gatsby, in Fitzgerald’s novel, cannot rely on such values. In desperation, he takes the easy route. Tom says, “‘[Gatsby] and this Wolfshiem bought up a lot of side-street drug stores here and in Chicago and sold grain alcohol over the counter. That’s one of his little stunts’” (Fitzgerald 143). A lack of faith restricts Gatsby’s imagination in goal setting and leaves him with results that may not leave him better off. Although Gatsby and the old man have values that help them pursue goals, Gatsby lacks the values that aid in goal setting.
Before pursuing a goal, it is necessary to choose one and define it well. The old man has one goal in mind. “‘Fish,’ he said ‘…I will kill you dead before this day ends’” (Hemmingway 19). He desires to kill the fish that he has caught. Gatsby’s goal is to get into high society (Fitzgerald 105). He yearns for the lifestyle that he never had growing up. The old man’s goal is explicit, reachable, has a deadline of a day, and he can determine if he has killed the fish or not. Gatsby, however, does not invent a well-determined goal. Nick narrates, “…it is what preyed on Gatsby, what foul dust floated in the wake of his dreams that temporarily closed out my interest in the abortive sorrows and short-winded elations of men” (Fitzgerald 4). The glory of the American dream possesses Gatsby and does not serve as a clearly defined pursuit. His goal is broad, does not have a deadline, and he does not describe how he knows when he meets his goal, and so it is not achievable or realistic. Although both men have constructed goals, Gatsby has not constructed his well.
The last component of goal setting is creating outlined steps that will aid in the attainment of a goal. The old man often gives himself small steps leading up to his desired outcome. He says to himself, “Now I will pay attention to my work and then I must eat the tuna so that I will not have a failure of strength” (Hemmingway 20). He decides that nourishment will help him kill the fish. Gatsby also spreads his goal into small phases. Gatsby writes, “Read one improving book or magazine per week” (Fitzgerald 185). He plans to concentrate on improving intellectually in order to be accepted into the upper class. The old man focuses his actions on his goal at all times. While fishing, “He felt faint again now but he held on the great fish all the strain that he could” (Hemmingway 34). He puts all of his effort into killing the fish. Gatsby, however, begins to focus on steps that distract him from his primary goal. He becomes obsessed with a woman named Daisy, and focuses all his effort on getting her to leave her husband. He says to Daisy, “...Just tell him the truth—that you never loved him—and it’s all wiped out forever’” (Fitzgerald 141). He puts more effort into winning Daisy than into steps that would more effectively gain him entrance into the upper class. Both the old man and Gatsby outline minor steps that aid them in reaching the result that they seek, but Gatsby takes actions unrelated to his pursuit.
In the end, the old man is more successful. He succeeds in killing the fish (Hemmingway 35). Gatsby, on the other hand, does not attain his goal. It is clear that the upper class never accepted him when only two people attend his funeral (Fitzgerald 186). The old man and Gatsby were aided by values helpful in pursuing goals, their ability to set goals, and their ability to construct clear steps. Gatsby is let down by a lack of values helpful in goal setting, the inability to create a well-defined goal, and his unfocused actions.

Works Cited
Fitzgerald, Scott. The Great Gatsby. Planet e-Book. Web. 5 Dec 2012.
Hemingway, Ernest. The Old Man and the Sea. Asiaing. Web. 5 Dec 2012.

Posted by: Leah Hollingsworth at December 5, 2012 12:38 PM

Matt Lynch
ENG 311 Survey of Major Writers 20th Century
Dr. Hobbs
November 25, 2012
Final Essay #3 Personal Development within Siddhartha by Herman Hesse and The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway
Personal development is something all people experience throughout life. Personal development is what shapes us into the people who we ultimately become. It takes real life experiences and hard times in order to learn and develop for the future. Through hard times and learning experiences people can develop and learn from decision they have made over time, so they will not receive the same outcomes in the future. Personal development is the process of individual self-development, through experiences, developing talents, and enhancement of life. In Siddhartha and the Old Man and the Sea both main characters Siddhartha and Santiago both experience personal development through making tough decisions and experiencing new things, the development of talents, and experience self-sacrifice, ultimately having a self-realization of transforming for the better.
Siddhartha and Santiago the old fisherman both go through a journey where they are confronted with many decisions in different experiences. They are called to make decisions and to learn from these experiences and the decisions they have made in order to further themselves along their journey. “Siddhartha, he said, why are you waiting? You know why. Will you go on standing and waiting until it is day, noon, evening? I will stand and wait. You will grow tired, Siddhartha. I will grow tired. You will fall asleep, Siddhartha. I will not fall asleep. You will die, Siddhartha. I will die.” (Hesse 8 PDF). This is the first hard experience that Siddhartha has encountered, making the decision whether or not to listen to his father and stay home or to go with what he wants to do and follow the Semanas. In The Old Man and the Sea Santiago comes across a similar experience in deciding whether to leave the shallow water or explore the deep water to fish. “Today I’ll work out where the schools of bonito and albacore are and maybe there will be a big one with them. Before it was really light he had his baits out and was drifting with the current. One bait was down forty fathoms. The second was at seventy-five and the third and fourth were down in the blue water at one hundred and one hundred and twenty-five fathoms.” (Hemingway 11, PDF). These were unfamiliar depths to the old fisherman, Santiago. He had to make adjustments to his fishing style and how he would manage the skiff. Both Siddhartha and Santiago had to make tough personal decisions in certain situations, these experiences enable them to further their personal development. If they had not made these decisions then their personal development would have been limited.
Siddhartha and Santiago both had to learn and develop new skills and tasks throughout their journeys, positively building their personal development. Along each of their paths they improve their personal development, Siddhartha by learning the skills to live on his own and live off the land like a Samana and Santiago by adjusting and learning to fish the deeper waters. “Instructed by the oldest if the Samanas, Siddhartha practiced self-denial, practiced meditation, according to a new Samana rules.” (Hesse 11, PDF). Siddhartha once joining the Samanas had to learn their ways and their practices. New talents to help him control himself and his feelings making him develop as a person. Santiago when he went to the deep water had to simply adjust to a new surrounding. “Now the man watched the dip of the three sticks over the side of the skiff and rowed gently to keep the [31] lines straight up and down and at their proper depths… He kept them straighter than anyone did, so that at each level in the darkness of the stream there would be a bait waiting exactly where he wished it to be for any fish that swam there.” (Hemingway 12, PDF). Santiago had to drop lines; He also made the adjustment to keep them straighter than anyone else’s for disguise. Siddhartha and Santiago both had to learn or make adjustment s along their journeys enabling them to positively personally develop.
Siddhartha and Santiago also had to experience sacrifice in order to personally develop on their journey. Siddhartha when he had to battle his hunger so he did not starve and Santiago when he battles the marlin. “Siddhartha learned a lot when he was with the Samanas … He went the way of self-denial by means of pain, through voluntarily suffering and overcoming pain, hunger, thirst, tiredness.” (Hesse 11, PDF). Siddhartha experiences sacrifice while suffering in pain and hunger to learn the Samana’s ways. Santiago experiences sacrifice when trying to bring the marlin to the boat after hooking it. “Settled comfortably against the wood and took his suffering as it came and the fish swam steadily and the boat moved slowly through the dark water.” (Hemingway 25, PDF). Santiago’s hand becomes bruised and he is completely drained yet his sacrifice paid off and he caught the marlin. Siddhartha and Santiago both personally develop through the sacrifices they made throughout their journeys.
In the novels “The Old Man and the Sea” by Ernest Hemingway and “Siddhartha” by Hermann Hesse, the main characters Siddhartha and Santiago experience personal development. Siddhartha and Santiago personally develop through making difficult decisions, learning new skills, and personal sacrifice. With the decisions, they each made, the skills they developed, and the sacrifices Siddhartha and Santiago made them both had a positive improvement in personal development which they both eventually realize in the end.

Work Cited
Hemingway, Ernest. The Old Man and the Sea. Scribner's, 1952. PDF.
Hesse, Hermann. Siddhartha. Bantam, 1922. PDF.

Posted by: Matt Lynch at December 5, 2012 03:13 PM

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